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Tuesday, July 26, 2005

Monotheism III ... More talks

‘Monotheism I : Judaism & Christianity were Polytheisms?’ and ‘Monotheism II: Father of Monotheism’ refer.

Unchained Slave has provided very sophisticated clarifications on the charges that Christianity was at first Polytheism and then Monotheism was virtually created by Paul whom the Lord has never met before ... Bravo.

I am sure the Lord is very proud to have a faithful like you.

One of the more serious charges is that Jews consider Christianity a cult because it disobeyed God on at least four counts: -

  1. Belittling Sabbath
  2. Never Circumcise
  3. Abrogated Kosher
  4. Idolating (God)
Among the 4, I consider 'abrogated Kosher' as the most significant of all. Maybe Christians should really be thankful for this one, they’d otherwise disallowed to eat Cheeseburger, Lobster, Bacon and the list runs longer than a toilet roll!

Among others, Unchained Slave commented: -

“Item 1: 1 Timothy WAS written by Paul.”

OK, so there is a consensus Paul is indeed the Father of Christianity, if not Father of Monotheism. (NB: If it was Jesus, Christianity is likely to stay the same as Judaism or just another form of Judaism ... simply because Jesus is a Jew and I am sure he would want to live like a Jew.

Item 2: So WHAT Paul never met Jesus? Paul’s ‘conversion’ experience (that he was appointed by God to serve God and Proclaim the Gospel of Jesus Christ) is recorded in the book of Acts …”

Book of Acts? The book was written by Paul’s follower Luke … Obviously one will write in accordance to the wishes of one’s boss, so where is the credibility?

Item 3: It was PETER, not Paul, that abrogated (to abolish by authoritative action - nullify) the kosher diet requirements. (Acts 10:9-15).

Now, you said Peter abrogated the Kosher practice in accordance to Book of Act .. which written by Luke, a follower of Paul? Again, where the credibility?

From what I gathered, it is pretty confusing who abrogated the practice … It is said “first by Jesus (Mark 7:19) and then by the early Church (Acts 10:14-16; 1 Cor 10:23-27). In Acts, Peter's vision of unclean foods descending from heaven (10:9-15) functions as a cipher for a further discussion of impartial membership in the church (10:28-29, 34). The change from a restricted to an open diet, then, symbolizes for the disciples of Jesus a change in membership, from an exclusively Jewish group to one which included Gentiles as well (Acts 10:28; 15:23-29)”

What do you make up of the above? Was it abograted by the Lord, Peter or Paul?

Talking about credibility, a related point here: “all the disciples deserted him and fled” Matthew 26:55-56 … It appears no one witnessed Jesus’ crucifixion, they "all fled" and "deserted" Jesus. They fled because they feared for their lives … I think this alone give the Bible such a bad light in term of credibility for the Lord may never got crucified at all! (Hebrews 5:7-8)

Item 4a: The ‘Gospel’ was preached first to the Jews, because Jesus was the Messiah, promised to the Jews throughout the Old Testament. He is their ‘inheritance’, but God’s compassion allows ‘gentiles’ to share in that inheritance.

Nothing significant here but I really don’t think the Jews can agree to this statement at all.

Item 5: Paul did not ‘do away’ with circumcision …. Paul in Romans 2:25 - 29, points out that the outward sign of circumcision (covenant) is useless if the individual does not keep the covenant, by obedience to God. Further, that an uncircumcised individual can be obedient to God.

Roman is written by Paul, again, where is the credibility?

Item 6: Paul WAS a great ‘salesman’.

Indeed. This I won’t dispute or I wouldn’t have said if Paul were to be reincarnated into our era, I am sure Paul will emerge as one of the hottest commodities in Wall Street ... I imagine most of the Fortune 500 big boys would like to recruit this genius salesman into their Who-Is-Who directory.

Item8: “belittled the importance of Sabbath,” Paul did not belittle the Sabbath. Christians celebrated Sunday, the first day of the week for two reasons. First, and most importantly, they celebrated the ‘Day of the Resurrection’, the first day of the week. Without the resurrection, Christianity is worthless. Second, recognizing the Jewish law regarding tithing out of the ‘first fruits’, Christians ‘gave’ the first day of the week to the worship of God.

Well, Sabbath fulfills the third of the Ten Commandments (“Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy”). If the word “belittling” is inappropriate, what then is suitable word to describe the disobeying of the commandment?

Item9: Judaism and ‘Protestant’ Christians are not, and have never been Polytheistic. Every admonition in scripture is NOT TO WORSHIP OTHER GODS! Leviticus 19:4, "Do not turn to idols, nor make for yourselves molded gods: I am the Lord your God."(see also Exodus 20:4, Deuteronomy 5:8, 12:31, 27:15 Leviticus 19:4,26:1) Genesis 1:1, “In the beginning God…” not ‘Gods’

Two things here,

1. Polytheism

Are you disputing ‘polytheism is even reaffirmed in one of the Psalms.82 1-8’, “Mark:7 25-30”, ‘Matthew 15:26’, ‘Deut. 32:9, 32:12, 32:12’, ‘Ex 15:11, 7:16, 23:13, 29:45, 14:9, 21:29, 33:4’, ‘Deut. 3:24, 4:34, 6:14, 10:17, see also ‘Deut. 11:16, 28; 12:30; 13:6, 12, 28:10’ (please refer to
‘Monotheism I : Judaism & Christianity were Polytheisms?’ for details … Here Jehovah is being compared again to other gods, (otherwise, why would't they describe other 'gods' as deities, ghosts etc?) so there must be other gods, or there can be no comparison.

It is pretty obvious to me early Jews were not monotheists.

2. Idolating

Are you sure Christians are no idolaters? How do you explain the portraits, statues and millions more items depicting Jesus (particularly the crucified version?). Not only that, even his mom, Virgin Mary is prominent displayed for the faithful to worship, and if you look hard enough, you find statue his dad too!

Anyway, what is wrong to idolate or idolize?

I think it is fairly obvious by now that Christianity promoted by Paul is never the original version of the Lord and most important of all, the current version of Christianity disobeyed quite a few orders from God … from Belittling Sabbath to Idolating.

One of the topics coming up soon … Is Christianity a cult?

Honestly, I rather Christianity be the 'cult' as alleged by the Jews, I'd tell you why next ...

To all ye faithful out there ... Let fight the misleading statement and or false allegations in the name of Lord!


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Blogger La Bona said...

Extremely good argument, Unchained Slave.
I must say your argument is definately Heaven class, and I think I just found a new topic based on what your earlier comment ... give me a little time.

No, I never say Jesus did not exist (I always say Jesus is Lord!) and as for Koran, I don't think this book has anythong more to offer than the Bible and there are just way too many elements of hatred in it, which I will blog about soon.

Trust me, Christianity is, say what you like, one of the best (if not the best) role model religion for the rest to emulate (if you noticed I commented that I rather Christianity is a cult as alleged by the Jews!).

What I am trying to do is really, is to try to get the fatithful to think out of the box ...

Meanwhile, please go on

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Blogger La Bona said...

email comment from MIke R.

regarding my position of the accuracy
of the Bible. What a question that is; I really wish I had an answer to
that. The Bible can be inspiring, enlightening, and rather perplexing, but is it the word of God? I don't know. What I do know is that much of it is subject to interpretation.

Although I can see why the Pope would be wary of popular cultural characters such as Harry Potter or Mickey Mouse in the sense that they may become icons in the eyes of the public, they are not real. Their impact on people comes merely in the form of entertainment.

Sure, sorcery and witchcraft may conflict with the ideals of the Catholic Church, but there are other real, greater dangers out there for today's children.

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