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Friday, August 05, 2005

Female Circumcision II

Brit Milah or a brit or bris is the ceremony where a Jewish boy is circumcised and given his Hebrew name. This is done in fulfillment of the covenant God made with Abraham. Some will simply use the same naming ceremony used for girls …”

Clearly, female circumcision was part of the Jewish tradition in the old days and it's heartening to find out there is general consensus against circumcision of girls; a cultural practice that offer nothing significant in the world of spirituality, do let me know if there is any ...

I vote the saying ‘A girl who does not have her clitoris removed is ultimately fatal to a man if her clitoris touches his penis’ as the Greatest Terror of the millennium.

I see no justification in circumcision whatsoever …
  1. What rights do we have to rob a girl of her capability to experience orgasm by removing her clitoris?
  2. In the first place, why would God give her a clitoris if there is no use for it at all? (Actually, there is argument that we are a flawed creation of God ... we'd talk about this in the future)

I feel the life-long deleterious consequences as a result of circumcision, including sexual frigidity, genital malformation, delayed menarche, chronic pelvic complications, recurrent urinary retention and infection, and an entire range of obstetric complications etc … is simply INHUMAN.

I therefore appeal to those who still upkeep such a brutal tradition (Muslims in particular) to launch an all-out Jihad on clitoris removal … Death to Female Circumcision!

I have noted this particular nonsense for His Almighty to nullify ASAP, however, you don't have to wait for a confirmation because chances are it will be approved, and my confidence level that God will okay it is a cool 99.99999999999999999999999999999999999%

I concur with Maryellen that "circumcision of the heart is more important that circumcision of the body" and thank Becky for the pointer for thisn verse ...

"For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision avails anything, but faith working through love" (Galatians 5:6)

And I find her comment enlightening … “Don't fall into the trap of "religions do it, it must be divine." Religion -- even much of modern day Christianity-- has lost sight of the Word of God. If you justify your belief with religious authority alone, you're asking for trouble. Until you can justify something like this according to Scripture (as a whole, I might add), it cannot and will not do anything beyond grieving my heart as it does God's

Psychologically speaking, some people may consider their faith as incomplete or something is amiss if there is nothing physical, visual or material to reflect their faithfulness to the Almighty. If you belong to this type, I have a proposal for you … How about TATTOOING?

Yes, what say you, tattoo your whole body with religious symbols, verses and what have you … Perhaps statements like “100% Faithful, Holy Slave, God’s Buddy …”

Don't you think this idea is way cooler as compared to brutal acts like clitoris removal?

Now the next question … What about the boys?

Chris P. commented “Male circumcision, I have no problem with as God actually commanded it

Let examine if this is the case next …



Blogger anonymous said...

"Clearly, female circumcision was a part of the Jewish tradition"
WTF IS SO CLEAR ABOUT IT? And where are you quoting from?
There is absolutely no documentation of anything like this in jewish literature over the last two thousand plus years.

9:53 PM  
Blogger La Bona said...

Mr. Anonymous,
The Brit Milah statemnet above is written by a Jew, and if you bother to google a bit, it's not that difficult to find even more references pointing towards that direction.
One thing I must stress is it is not my intention to condemn or humiliate those who have done it in the past or perhaps still doing it, I am just trying to stop it as it is a form a serious injustice to me.
I never allege Jews still practice it, in fact, I heard some Modern Jews are opposing Brit Milah ... they have bumper sticker in Israel that say “Jews embracing wholeness. Saying no to circumcision”!
Maybe it would make sense for us to discuss about circumcision for boys ... BTW, what do you think of alternative form of Covenant with God eg. Tattoo?

1:34 AM  
Blogger La Bona said...

email comment from Theresa Aberle

La Bona, I agreed with Maryellen who referred to the circumcised heart. By health regulations they have found that circumcision on boys at 8 days is not only for health reasons, less infections for the male and the female.. but the 8th day is when the blood clots. Before that and the child would loose too much blood, after that apparently the body wouldn't produce as much natural antibody.. or healing agent. The orthodox who responded could probably tell you about that, or a doctor.

For a woman, I have read a couple articles and feel that it is simply a patriarchial society's way of mutilating their women. I know that it is still practiced and that there are safe houses that the young girls run to if they can get away before it is done. Men who are simply interested in their sexual fulfillment, as opposed to a Song of Solomon experience would find this practice necessary to ensure that their women had no desire for anyone else.

It is disgusting at the most elementary level.

2:40 AM  
Blogger anonymous said...

I don't care who wrote about it, as a member of the jewish community I can tell you it's 100 percent bs. I don't think much of tatooing in general. As for male circumsision, it was gods idea, not mine, so you can take it up with him

3:41 AM  
Blogger Maryellen said...

any intellegent adult will realize that you can find anything you want to find by googleing it, but just because it is out there somewhere in cyberspace doesn't mean its true.
any legitmate scholar will agree with Chris P. and anonymous that female circumsision is not a part of Biblical Jewish practice or law.
with a tag like "Divine Talk" I think it would be wise to stick with legitimate topics and varifiable facts.

4:26 PM  
Blogger La Bona said...

"that female circumsision is not a part of Biblical Jewish practice or law ... I think it would be wise to stick with legitimate topics and varifiable facts"

Okey dokey Maryellen, how do you explain the practice by Muslims? It is said they inherited both circumcision and Kosher from Jews in Medina ... and what about Christian, why Christian don't have to obey God on this particular one (circumcise)?

9:19 PM  
Blogger La Bona said...

email comment from Theresa Aberle, tmaberle.blogspot.com

LaBona, I hear your heart and feel that G- d is (maybe) putting a desire in you to become a missionary to the areas where this is done. Maybe getting invoved with promoting the safe houses, or helping the young women who have suffered this atrocity at the hands of their very own mothers and grandmothers. As you may or may not now from your walk with the L-rd, you can't stop sin. G-d can change their hearts with his word but the scripture says that people are evil without him. Through the generations women have been physically harmed in a variety of ways. If you feel passionate about making this known or helping to stop it, you may be hearing G-d's call to move forward.
Pray about it.
A couple scriptures that tell the abominations people have done to children for their idols. There are many more...

You burn with lust among the oaks and under every spreading tree'; you sacrifice your children in the ravines and under the overhanging crags. Isaiah 57:5

Isaiah 13:17-19 17 See, I will stir up against them the Medes,
who do not care for silver
and have no delight in gold.
18 Their bows will strike down the young men;
they will have no mercy on infants
nor will they look with compassion on children.

19 Babylon, the jewel of kingdoms,
the glory of the Babylonians' [a] pride,
will be overthrown by God
like Sodom and Gomorrah.

Mohammed is recorded as speaking of the sunna circumcision to the Ansars' wives, saying: "Cut slightly without exaggeration, because it is more pleasant for your husbands".
"The importance given to virginity and an intact hymen in these societies is the reason why female circumcision still remains a very widespread practice despite a growing tendency, especially in urban Egypt.."(http://www.religioustolerance.org/fem_cirm.htm#pass)

Be well, in Messiah~

9:21 PM  
Blogger La Bona said...

email message from Vivienne

Meanwhile, tattoos rather than circumcision?

I think that you miss the point ;)

Any one has the right to circumcision as any one of us has the right to be tattooed. No one has the right to get a baby tattooed or circumcised!

Respecting the autonomy of an individual to make his or her own mind up is important.

But again, the idea that a woman is unmarriable unless she has been cut is an error in a culture rather than the individuals concerned.

It takes both a free flow of ideas and the courage to question any and all ideas before things can change for the better.

Hooray for the Internet :)))

Love to all...

9:23 PM  
Blogger anonymous said...

It is said they inherited both circumcision and Kosher from Jews in Medina
Who said it?
Don't you think that Jews would know more about their own religion then some freak that said?
The muslims that supposedly took kosher from the jews also changed things. Halal has different rules than kosher.
Did you know that your parents also practised clitoris removal? No, don't argue with me. I found it on google...

10:37 AM  

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