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Monday, August 08, 2005

Male Circumcision I

It appears the Jews are upset with the ‘allegation’ that Female Circumcision 'was' part of their tradition. While I am yet to be able to find the time to dig into history (actually, I wonder if this is going a meaningful endeavor), I am kind of puzzled about this particular fact: ‘Muslims inherited both circumcision and Kosher from Jews in Medina and as far as I know, the Arabs are also Semites.

How then female circumcision is not a Semites’ tradition? Unless … it is invented by Mohammed himself! Any credible support for this speculation?

In relation to Maryellen’s comment “any intelligent adult will realize that you can find anything you want to find by Googling, but just because it is out there somewhere in cyberspace doesn't mean its true.

With a tag like "DivineTalk" I think it would be wise to stick with legitimate topics and verifiable facts

Fair enough.

But no, DivineTalk is no CNN (even CNN breaks news based upon rumors from time to time) , I don’t even have the resources to promote this forum, let alone verifying all the bit and pieces. After all, it said rumors could be true and guess it is not that fun to talk about a pure fact (some call it law) where its truth is more or less already established.

Nonetheless, thanks for advice.

Overall, I think Vivienne is succinct in saying “Anyone has the right to circumcision as any one of us has the right to be tattooed. No one has the right to get a baby tattooed or circumcised!

Respecting the autonomy of an individual to make his or her own mind up is important.”

Before we examine if circumcision is really commanded God as suggested by some, and that it is a Biblical fact, whereby I have posed a related question: Why Christians do not have to obey this particular command of God? I think I better educate myself a little bit more on Male Circumcision first.

Excepts from the Law Center @ CNN

What is male circumcision?

Circumcision, in males, involves the cutting and removal of the foreskin, a fold of skin that covers the head of the penis. Because the procedure typically occurs during the baby's first month, anesthesia (other than topical) is generally considered unsafe. This means that a vulnerable newborn infant undergoes the surgical removal of a part of his body that is dense with nervous tissue, without anesthesia.

Notwithstanding the pain suffered during, and in the immediate aftermath of, the procedure, circumcision does not -- when performed correctly -- prevent the young boy from growing up to be a sexually functioning and fertile man. (Some argue, though, that sex is more enjoyable for the uncircumcised male) ... Oops, this must be the deadliest counter argument!

Is circumcision like 'female genital mutilation'?

This apparent lack of permanent harmful consequences significantly distinguishes male circumcision from the practice sometimes called "female circumcision" but also known as female genital mutilation ("FGM") or female genital cutting. FGM is prohibited by a federal statute passed in 1996.

FGM typically involves the removal of a girl's entire clitoris (an excision that virtually eliminates the possibility of orgasm). In addition, clitoridectomy is often accompanied by the removal of the girl's labia and the sewing together of remaining raw surfaces, leaving only a small opening for the outflow of urine and menstrual blood, a process known as infibulation. Infibulation itself can have life-long deleterious consequences, including urinary distress, pain during intercourse, and dangerous complications during labor and the delivery of children.

Though the federal statute that prohibits female genital mutilation is limited to the protection of female anatomy, the extreme nature of FGM does not have a true analogue in male circumcision. In the light of this reality, it is somewhat misleading for advocates of the MGM bill to claim - as they have -- that federal law currently discriminates against boys subjected to genital mutilation by outlawing FGM alone. No modern culture subjects male children to anything so extreme as clitoridectomy and infibulation are for girls.

That said, the practice of male circumcision is not a trivial matter. As described above, highly sensitive and healthy tissue is removed with a knife, generally without anything but a topical anesthetic, and the patient is ordinarily a newborn infant. Though some people suggest that newborn babies do not actually suffer pain, this claim has always been suspect and is now at odds with what is known to the scientific community. More

Interestingly, I found out there are ‘contemporary’ Jews who also oppose the Brit Milah ... they have bumper stickers in Israel that say “Jews embracing wholeness. Saying no to circumcision”!

Inspired by God, I got a new idea on how to circumcise without knife ... no blood, no pain, no scar! Stay tuned for this breakthrough in the world of surgery ...


Blogger anonymous said...

After doing research and coming up with theories, the general practice is to check them out with facts on the ground. We're not dealing with the ancient greeks or the lost city of atlantis here. there are large jewish communities all over the world and all you have to do is ask.Not checking to see if your theories have the slightest connection to reality is a sign of intellectual shoddiness.
I could probably find an answer to your questions but there's no point. Maybe it should have been but it isn't
For some one to be told wacky things about what he supposedly does by an outsider is frustrating. Imagine telling an American that you googled and found out George Washington was a woman. Or tell a catholic that it seems the pope was a cannibal. Can you prove he wasn't? Why can't we have a nice logical discussion about it? Why are you upset by the "allegations"?

12:02 PM  
Blogger La Bona said...

Correction: I am not a woman ... I am actually a man. In line with gender equality, I prefer not to be associated with any worldly gender and this is one of the reason why I adopted the God inspired name, La Bona.
Don't get me wrong, I am neither a gay nor will I get upset even you insist on addressing me as a lady.

Coming back to your input, thanks ... Do you think female circumcision is invented by Mohammed?

1:12 PM  
Blogger anonymous said...

I really have no idea who invented it and to be perfectly honest I don't give a flying f_ _ _
All I know is that it has absolutely nothing to do with jews.
Sorry, I thought La Bona was a female name.

2:24 PM  
Blogger La Bona said...

I don't blame you, it is a fact 'bona' does sound feminine.
As a diehard fan of evolving interpretation, I'd rename 'La Bona' ASAP to reflect my gender-neutral philosophy in the near future ...

Appreciate your comment "it has absolutely nothing to do with jews" but don't you think it takes a little more eg. some historical facts to make your statemnet more convincing?

Don't worry about it, whether it is or not, guess the important thing is it is an non-issue to the Jews today ... Life goes on, and we always seek to have a better life.

4:25 PM  
Blogger anonymous said...

I really don't know what it would take to convince you.
I can tell you that in the last three thousand years plus of tradition it has never been mentioned by any jewish source. Then what? Should I give you a "non quote"?
Do you have any sources to prove martians weren't citizens in the roman empire?
How do you prove a negative?

5:00 PM  
Blogger La Bona said...

comment from Abah Mui'zz in another entry ...

Do refer to this article at http://www.minaret.org/fgm-pamphlet.htm which talks about female circ.

In a Muslim country like Malaysia, and as far as I am concern, this issue of female circ. is not an issue at all.


La Bona said...

Abah Mui'zz,

Thanks for the link but I am afraid I am seeing even more nonsense, please correct me ...

1. What do you mean by 'ina Muslim country like Malaysia, this issue of female circ. is not an issue at all.'
Do you mean Muslim girls in Malaysia never get circumcised at all? If so, you are talking crap ...

2. It appears circumcision is even mentioned in the Quran, so why do Muslims do it? Honestly, who taught you guys how to circumcise ... Jews?

3. What do you mean by 'removal of
a minuscule segment of skin from the female prepuce, provided no harm is done' or 'Do not cut severely as that is better for a woman and more desirable for a husband'? What exactly did you cut or remove? Care to illustrate?

4. The links also mentioned many 'benefits' to circumcise a girl ... What are those benefits?

5. What do say about boy circumcision? What are those benefits? And what are the benefits to circumcise boys?

6. Lastly, who taught the Muslims in Africa to circumcise?

7. Do you actually believe circumcision is a good covenant with God? How and why?

8. Apprciate any other info you may provide.

12:39 AM  

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