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Tuesday, August 02, 2005

Persecution of Sky Kingdom II

Islam = Taliban?
Sky Kingdom crushing akin to the demolition of the Bamiyan Buddha by Taliban

The tallest Buddha figure in the world
55m; 180 ft; created in the 3rd century A.D.

Annihilation of Sky Kingdom refers.

The action taken by the Malaysian authorities is akin to the action taken by the Taliban in the Bamiyan province where they destroyed the Buddhist monuments including the world's tallest statue of Buddha which were valued by the world over as a priceless heritage.

For their crime and instead of expressing remorse, the ultracivilized Taliban warriors informed the world the ancient structures are not only offensive to their religion and guess what else did they say? They actually said "All we are breaking are useless stones"!

I wonder how come the word 'heritage is not in their dictionary?

The world will remember Taliban for this action of theirs. History has already recorded their action, and the sin committed against humanity ... yet they still think they could go to Heaven?

The Taliban has showed to the world how insecure they are. Even though the Bamiyan Buddhas are gone, the two colossal holes remain, a reminder to all how dangerous the world can be when the mentality of the authorities is questionable ... The same goes to authorities of Malaysia.
Likewise, the empty Sky Kingdom commune will be a reminder to the people in Malaysia and possibly the world over ... of the primitive state of mind amidst them. I think it is a crying shame that some people can be threatened by a few concrete structures.

The Malaysian authority may have destroyed the giant replicas of a teapot, umbrella and various other marble-and-concrete structures which were merely that ... structures. But to the world, they have created an incident that's comparable to the one involving the Talilban and the Bamiyan Buddhas.

If their beliefs are that strong, they should not be threatened by structures erected by those of other beliefs.

May God address the injustice ...


Blogger La Bona said...

Yetserday Maryellen said... "As a Christian I can not believe that all paths lead to enlightenment"

Conclusion: Religion = Intolerence?

God bless.

10:37 AM  
Blogger Maryellen said...

conclusion - Jesus = truth
Christianity is not a religion.

2:39 PM  
Blogger La Bona said...

La Bona said...
"Christianity is not a religion"

Okay. Instead of saying it about establishing a relationship with the Lord, is there a proper English word you could describe this divine phenomenon ... in one word?

By the way, which faith do you think befit the word 'religion'? Is religion only confined to those who pray the lesser 'Gods' or 'Ghosts' or is religion referring to faith that lack logics and or empirical evidence??

The Muslims also say Islam is NOT a religion, They say Islam is a way of life and in Arabic, the phenomenon is called "Deen".

And faithful of all other faiths that I know of also claim thier faith is a complete way of life and that their faith is the only truth to achieve eternal happiness. One good example is Sky Kingdom, their followers are convinced they will get to the Cloud Nine, if not Seventh Heaven.

What do you say about their claims?

Having said that,I now wonder which one is a religion?

DO you think God (or Gods) is a 'must' element for a believe system to be categorized as a religion (or faith)?

5:20 PM  
Blogger Maryellen said...

As I said on my site,
religion is more of a set of rituals, a pattern, or a system.
Catholicism and Southern Baptist are examples of "Christian Religions"
I would agree that the Muslim faith and also the Jewish faith are more than religions.
Deen would be a good word to describe the devote muslim, jew, and christian - a world view
As a follower of Jesus Christ, I believe that Mohamad was a false prophet, and that the Jews rejected their messiah, however all three of these worldviews have common roots.
I believe there is One God, revealed to us through the Holy Bible and His son Jesus Christ. But there are many religions in the world, countless religions, that do not accept Him and worship false gods/goddesses. They are still religions.

5:55 PM  
Blogger La Bona said...


What do you say about 'Consolidation of Faiths'?

What do you think ... let say someday, God commands "All ye faith, unite as one under a common umbrella made up of cross, moon, star, swastika and what have you. All are equal children of mine, I love ye all"

Is merger a good idea for faith?

6:50 PM  
Blogger Maryellen said...

that would be the anti christ, or should i say that WILL be the anti christ.

my husband, pastor art, says: there is a distinction about what Jesus says about himself that counters what other faith systems or "religions" define him as being.
Jesus says, in defining himself exclusively, that he is The Way, The Truth, and The Life and the only way to the Father (the Kingdom, heaven...)This defies religion/experiencail connections and makes a proveable statement that is either true or false.

12:00 AM  
Blogger Blogosaurus Rex said...

How convenient that one statement is.. It is used to single-handedly grant exclusivity to God, and banish everyone else to hell.

Don't forget that a few verses later, Jesus says:

"the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works"

Therefore, did that first verse mean Jesus was speaking about himself, or was he speaking as the Father, as he seems to imply? This simple perspective can change the whole meaning of that verse.

People far too often take a single verse out-of-context from the Bible, and use it to mean whatever they want it to.

I just read the entire chapter, and I got a different meaning out of it.

12:49 AM  
Blogger Unchained Slave said...

La Bona:
You seem to have a lot of time to post blogs about Islam. You seem to have a lot of time to ‘borrow’ articles without citing sources. You seem to have a lot of time to visit folks like MaryEllen, and others that profess faith in Jesus Christ and ‘bait’ them to your blog, for whatever reason, but apparently to challenge their beliefs.

But it seems you don’t have time to ‘give answer to’ your own beliefs, “This basically me, I believe in evolving interpretations. Rest assured, I'd be back to talk about it ... Gotta get couple of things done now, till then.” [comments from Why Paul’s Christianity is way better … I] Since that comment, you have posted 4 articles, and 5 comments.

One of your comments to MaryEllen, “What do you think ... let say someday, God commands "All ye faith, unite as one under a common umbrella made up of cross, moon, star, swastika and what have you. All are equal children of mine, I love ye all" [comments - Persecution of Sky Kingdom II] Again addresses the vacillating nature of your undefined beliefs - How can there be a common umbrella if as you claim, “Jesus is Lord”?
And as MaryEllen pointed out Jesus said “I am the way the truth and the life, no one comes to the Father but by Me.”
Since Gwhiz2k seems to be one of your champions, and quoted the verse “John 14:10 "Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father in Me? The words that I speak to you I do not speak on My own authority; but the Father who dwells in Me does the works." As a challenge to whether Christ was speaking about Himself or about God, Jesus states plainly, “I am in the Father, and the Father in Me”…The authority of Christ is manifest in Colossians 1:19, "For it pleased the Father that in Him (Jesus Christ) all the fullness should dwell," [thanks Loren.] Since all fullness dwells in Christ - then He has the authority to make that claim.
This gives answer to your ‘baiting’ of MaryEllen…

I am still waiting for you ‘to give answer’. You have ‘accused’ me of having “APAZFS: All Perfect Absolutely Zero Fault Syndrome”. I submit sir, that YOU suffer from ‘APAZFS’ - you do not answer those that challenge you.

In case you have forgotten - I have reposted my entire response to your challenge to me [Why Paul’s Christianity is way better … I]

The apologetics of Unchained Slave:
La Bona,
“From then on, Mr. ‘Unchained Slave’ has stopped commenting and he even took the pain to delete all of his dozens or so comments posted in the various blogs.” And, “Could it be religious faithful simply have no room for error? And upon proven doubtful or wrong, they’d rather withdraw in totality (due to APNES: All Perfect No Error Syndrome?)”

I ‘give answer to’ the second allegation, first. I have never claimed to be either a Bible Scholar or perfect. I am human, and therefore cannot be perfect. I do not believe there is any ‘Religious’ Dogma, Protestant, Catholic, Jewish, Muslim, Buddhist, etc. That is not without error, having been the constructs of men. I do believe that the Bible is the authoritative, inspired, and complete work, the Word of God.

That statement of belief in the Word of God (the Bible), as stated on my blogs, is the starting point for me to ‘give answer to the first allegation.
The Authority Of Scripture
I believe that the Holy Scriptures (the Bible) are and shall remain the only source and rule of doctrine, faith and practice. The Bible contains all the necessary truth to lead humanity into salvation. I believe that Christ is present with us in both Word and Sacrament and I decline to determine as binding what the Scripture has left undetermined or to argue about the mysteries impenetrable to human reason. Further, the Bible is God’s Word to us. Human authors, under the supernatural guidance of the Holy Spirit, wrote it. It is the supreme source of truth for Christian beliefs and living. Because God inspired it, it is the truth without any mixture of error.
2 Tim. 3:16; 2 Peter 1:20, 21; 2 Tim. 1:13; Psalm 119:105, 160; 12:6; Proverbs 30:5”

The Bible is accurate in all of its teachings: 2 Tim. 3:16; 2 Peter 1:20, 21; 2 Tim. 1:13; Psalm 119:105, 160; 12:6; Proverbs 30:5; Matthew 5:18
Psalm 119:160, “The entirety of Your word is truth, And every one of Your righteous judgments endures forever.””

“Absolute Moral truth EXISTS and the Bible defines THAT TRUTH. 2 Tim. 3:16; 2 Peter 1:20, 21; 2 Tim. 1:13; Psalm 119:105, 160; 12:6; Proverbs 30:5; Matthew 5:18; Philippians 4:8; 1 Samuel 12:24; 1 Corinthians 13:6; Ephesians 5:9:
2 Timothy 3:16-17, “All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.”
John 17:17, “Sanctify them by Your truth. Your word is truth.””

ON THIS BLOG - ‘DivineTalk’
La Bona, you have stated, “, “I always say Jesus is Lord!” [‘comments’ in “Monotheism III ... More talks”] and follow it with, “…as for Koran, I don't think this book has anything more to offer than the Bible”

It has been the ‘standing’ view of this blog ‘DivineTalk’ that the Bible is erroneous, inconsistent, non-credible, and irrelevant (this view submitted without exegesis).

The position of this blog is that the Bible is NOT the Word of God and is not an accurate depiction of the Life, Death, Resurrection, and Saving Grace of Jesus Christ. Any ‘defense’ of Christianity or the ministry of Jesus Christ, using the Bible on this blog is therefore irrelevant, moot, and has no place. I still believe the Bible is THE TRUE & INSPIRED WORD OF GOD, but defending it here is moot.

First, is you yourself La Bona,
You state, “…as a secular humanist I should…” [Why Paul’s Christianity is way better … I]. Secular humanism defined is “humanistic philosophy viewed as a non-theistic religion antagonistic to traditional religion” [http://www.m-w.com].
non-theistic: non-“not : other than : reverse of : absence of” + theistic “belief in the existence of one God viewed as the creative source of man and the world who transcends yet is immanent in the world”
non-theistic: is therefore defined as, “absence of belief in the existence of God”

By your own ‘hand’, you have written, ‘I do not believe in God’. You also wrote, “I think this alone give the Bible such a bad light in term of credibility for the Lord may never got crucified at all!” [Monotheism III ... More talks]

However, you have written:
“I always say Jesus is Lord!” [‘comments’ in “Monotheism III ... More talks”]
“Christianity is and will remain one of my favorite faiths” [Is Christianity a cult?]

“Submitted to God as His worldly Activist on a non-exclusive basis since June 15, 2005 1:00 am ET. “La Bona” is a professional name inspired by God” & “blessed by God” [‘About Me’ - DivineTalk - sidebar]

If there is NO God, what is Jesus Lord of? If there is NO God, how can you be ‘inspired by’ & ‘blessed by God’? If ‘Jesus is Lord’, what other faith is there besides Christianity?

Second, is your stance “I personally always view the universal version of Christianity promoted by Apostle Paul as a much more appealing one as compared to the original version started by Jesus Christ in conjunction with his disciples.” is diametrically opposed to your own previous claims about the credibility and ministry of Paul the Apostle:
“The book was written by Paul’s follower Luke … Obviously one will write in accordance to the wishes of one’s boss, so where is the credibility?” [Monotheism III ... More talks]
“Roman is written by Paul, again, where is the credibility?” [Monotheism III ... More talks]
“Paul was clever enough to realize that if he had to convert the Gentiles into Christianity, he had to re-invent a new Christianity palatable to their taste and liking.” [Monotheism III ... More talks]

“Christianity promoted by Paul is never the original version of the Lord” [Monotheism III ... More talks]

“Lord’s original message is lost and has been deliberately distorted by its main author, Paul (Saul of Tarsis) who apparently has never met Jesus before and he is obviously politically obliged to the Roman emperor Constantine.” [Bible = The Complete Whole Truth?]

“Paul did is what any good salesman would do. He changed his product to make it more attractive to his western clients.” [Monotheism II: Father of Monotheism]

If ‘Jesus is Lord’ as you previously asserted, then wouldn’t Paul, to ‘re-invent a new Christianity’ be a blasphemer? If Paul ‘deliberately distorted’ the message of Christ, would ‘following’ Christianity ‘promoted by the Apostle Paul’ not only be flat out heresy, but also following a lie? By your own admission, Paul did NOT preach THE GOSPEL of Jesus Christ, and is not credible, how then can ‘Jesus Is Lord’ be TRUE? Would it then be true that Paul is ‘lord’? IF on the other hand, Paul preached the Gospel of Jesus Christ, as he was called to do, as revealed to him by Divine inspiration as Peter asserts, then wouldn’t both Paul’s credibility, and the unity of the New Testament be restored? IF that happened, would one then have to acknowledge the Bible as it claims to be, the Inspired Word of God?

I find the entire vacillating nature of your own condition, curious to say the least. Add to that the precarious stance of defaming the credibility of, then embracing the teachings of Paul, interesting.

Is it possible, La Bona, that you yourself are conflicted? That you are desperately trying to ‘justify’ and ‘rationalize’ what YOU want while HEARING that God wants something different. Is it possible that you are being called to be a disciple of, and advocate for Jesus Christ, but that conflicts with your wants and desires? You want, and I quote, “La Bona is a Truth Seeker, Myth Buster, Freedom Fighter, Cyber Activist, Liberal Animal, Always Samaritan, Messiah Wannabe and in order to serve His Children of diverse backgrounds, La Bona is motivated and aim to eventually multitask as Divine Representative, Contemporary Prophet, Celestial Executive, Deity Clairvoyant, Holy Spiritualist ...” But, is that what God wants for you?

The Gospel of Jesus Christ is for all, “…the righteousness of God, through faith in Jesus Christ, to all and on all who believe. For there is no difference; for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,” that is Not exclusory, that embraces everyone!
Jesus Christ, however; clarified that point when HE said, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me." That is exclusory.

Jesus made it clear, He does not care if you are Buddhist, Humanist, Muslim, Jew, Catholic, Hindu, Protestant, or Flowbegar…The way to salvation is an open door…But, the only way through that door is to believe in the sacrifice, and forgiveness of Jesus Christ…No other path leads to God.

Yes, La Bona, I have stopped commenting on this blog, because you have made it clear that the Bible has no place here. You state your purpose is to dictate to God who He is, and what His Moral Values are, “God enlightened to have His Words improvised and updated with the prevailing circumstances so that the divine guidance, dogma and policy will evolve with time and stay relevant to His Children in the very era they live in as the way forward.”

While God says, “For I am the Lord, I do not change; Therefore you are not consumed, O sons of Jacob. Yet from the days of your fathers, you have gone away from My ordinances And have not kept them. Return to Me, and I will return to you,

And the final, bottom line; "Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever. Do not be carried about with various and strange doctrines. For it is good that the heart be established by grace, not with foods which have not profited those who have been occupied with them."

May, “The Lord bless you and keep you; The Lord make His face shine upon you, And be gracious to you; The Lord lift up His countenance upon you, And give you peace.

2:48 AM  
Blogger Blogosaurus Rex said...

I would like to point out that I am no-one's champion, I'm just questioning, heavily researching, and looking for the truth. I have been down the religious path, and it had too many unanswered questions for me to be comfortable with. To me, it's too easy to just have this one convenient book that holds all your answers. I believe that one must look inward to find God, and in the process, one's self.

Also, I don't believe that any scripture that refers to "the Bible" is referring to the bible as we know it. After all, it didn't exist until many years after. Where you say

"The Bible is accurate in all of its teachings"

You are actually in-accurate, because those verses refer to scripture, as it existed then, not "the Bible" as we know it today. These are 2 different things. The scriptures of those days included different books, and didn't include others (such as works of paul) that are in the current bible.

This is an ongoing thing for me; this research, and I'm finding that there is much more to learn about the person known today as Jesus Christ (I dislike using that name because it is romanized, like the rest of contemporary christianity, his name was Yeshua, or Yahoshua) than exists in the Bible.

I say once again for the record: It is my belief The bible is an incomplete collection of translations of translations of earlier scriptures (many of which were destroyed), and was decided upon by a group of men, in the dark ages no less... The same type of men who can decide that the pope is infallible (even though this little tidbit of ridiculousness happened much later, it is relevant to my point). I believe the time has come to re-think the current bible, and to maybe go back to original, more contemporary sources like the Dead Sea Scrolls, and the Nag Hamadi library, and do some heavy comparisons.

I find it odd that when contemporary documents are discovered like these, they are immediately branded irrelevant or inaccurate because they don't fit with the current Bible. Maybe it is the current bible that is irrelevant or inaccurate.

This is all that I am trying to say.

3:31 AM  
Blogger La Bona said...

Unchained Slave, thanks for the comments.
I haven't forgotten about you, give me a little time, I'd be back with you, rest assured.
No, Gwhiz2k is not related to me in anyway. We just happened to be the same 'truth seeker' type, the type who don't buy hearsay, the type who will challenge nonsense that is detrimental to mankind ... stay tuned for details.
God willing, I'd be back with Paul's Christianity today.
Oh, I forgot about your comment on Marryellen, please refrain from using words like lure, bait ... as if I am operating a scam here.
All I have done is inviting her to give her view, and she has been sincere (never mind hers are generally very 'fundamentalist' in nature, which is good for discourse, I think).

9:48 AM  

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